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	<title>Comments on: Agile antipattern: Using email as the primary communication tool</title>
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		<title>By: Jake Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://www.agileforall.com/2009/07/08/agile-antipattern-using-email-as-the-primary-communication-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post and comments.  A few thoughts.  Email can be useful, IF used well, since it can force people to think through things.  Again, IF it is used well.  Often it is used like IM or Twitter and it is a pointless conversation.

One assumption I see a lot is that your top priority is NOT the top priority of the person you are disturbing (I used disturbing on purpose).  If you have a 100% dedicated team that (which is ideal) that is great - assuming the person you are talking to is on the team.

I think you need to consider who you&#039;re talking to and be sure to ask &quot;is this a good time, if not what is?&quot;, before jumping in.  Tough to do, I know I don&#039;t always remember to do that.

Also, consider that while high bandwidth may be the desire, sometimes what you need to say is better put in some other form (at least to start).  If your goal is have the message received and understood and receive feedback - email may work to begin that process, followed-up up with a conversation.  Even bringing over a diagram or document you mocked up could work to move the conversation forward faster to get to your goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post and comments.  A few thoughts.  Email can be useful, IF used well, since it can force people to think through things.  Again, IF it is used well.  Often it is used like IM or Twitter and it is a pointless conversation.</p>
<p>One assumption I see a lot is that your top priority is NOT the top priority of the person you are disturbing (I used disturbing on purpose).  If you have a 100% dedicated team that (which is ideal) that is great &#8211; assuming the person you are talking to is on the team.</p>
<p>I think you need to consider who you&#8217;re talking to and be sure to ask &#8220;is this a good time, if not what is?&#8221;, before jumping in.  Tough to do, I know I don&#8217;t always remember to do that.</p>
<p>Also, consider that while high bandwidth may be the desire, sometimes what you need to say is better put in some other form (at least to start).  If your goal is have the message received and understood and receive feedback &#8211; email may work to begin that process, followed-up up with a conversation.  Even bringing over a diagram or document you mocked up could work to move the conversation forward faster to get to your goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hartman</title>
		<link>http://www.agileforall.com/2009/07/08/agile-antipattern-using-email-as-the-primary-communication-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer to use the phrase &quot;use the highest bandwidth medium that makes sense.&quot;  In most cases that means face-to-face or a phone call.  It goes down from there until you reach the bottom (in my opion) of using email.

When using IRC I generally like two channels.  The first is a general channel which can be ignored if you get immersed in something.  The other is an &quot;emergency&quot; channel which acts as a priority interrupt.  I tell people to use the 2nd channel only if it really is an emergency of some sort.  I can then put alerts on just the one channel and get some visual cue when something important needs to be looked at.

See my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.agileforall.com/2008/10/31/agile-teams-and-microsoft-outlook-churn-baby-churn/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posting from last year&lt;/a&gt; on how Microsoft Outlook (or any other email client) is often configured in a way which is anti-productive.

- Bob -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer to use the phrase &#8220;use the highest bandwidth medium that makes sense.&#8221;  In most cases that means face-to-face or a phone call.  It goes down from there until you reach the bottom (in my opion) of using email.</p>
<p>When using IRC I generally like two channels.  The first is a general channel which can be ignored if you get immersed in something.  The other is an &#8220;emergency&#8221; channel which acts as a priority interrupt.  I tell people to use the 2nd channel only if it really is an emergency of some sort.  I can then put alerts on just the one channel and get some visual cue when something important needs to be looked at.</p>
<p>See my <a href="http://www.agileforall.com/2008/10/31/agile-teams-and-microsoft-outlook-churn-baby-churn/" rel="nofollow">posting from last year</a> on how Microsoft Outlook (or any other email client) is often configured in a way which is anti-productive.</p>
<p>- Bob -</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hartman</title>
		<link>http://www.agileforall.com/2009/07/08/agile-antipattern-using-email-as-the-primary-communication-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devdas, I&#039;m not sure I agree with your characterizations about the bandwidth of various methods of communication.  Do you have a source for this?

In my opinion email, no matter its form is always low-bandwidth.  You simply can&#039;t type fast enough to make it high bandwidth.

Voice, to me, is higher bandwidth because almost everyone speaks faster than they can type.  It is also bi-directional in near real-time where email is not.

The NMI (non-maskable interrupt for non-techies, meaning you can&#039;t stop it from occurring) problem is real with voice (phone for example).  However, in my experience, a small amount of NMI work makes everyone more productive in the long run because decisions are made much faster.

As for logging, I tell my classes that whenever a decision is made, it needs to be logged somewhere because someone else will eventually need the information.  IRC and email provide &quot;logging&quot; but what good does it do if the person needing the results wasn&#039;t on the channel or email at the same time?

- Bob -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devdas, I&#8217;m not sure I agree with your characterizations about the bandwidth of various methods of communication.  Do you have a source for this?</p>
<p>In my opinion email, no matter its form is always low-bandwidth.  You simply can&#8217;t type fast enough to make it high bandwidth.</p>
<p>Voice, to me, is higher bandwidth because almost everyone speaks faster than they can type.  It is also bi-directional in near real-time where email is not.</p>
<p>The NMI (non-maskable interrupt for non-techies, meaning you can&#8217;t stop it from occurring) problem is real with voice (phone for example).  However, in my experience, a small amount of NMI work makes everyone more productive in the long run because decisions are made much faster.</p>
<p>As for logging, I tell my classes that whenever a decision is made, it needs to be logged somewhere because someone else will eventually need the information.  IRC and email provide &#8220;logging&#8221; but what good does it do if the person needing the results wasn&#8217;t on the channel or email at the same time?</p>
<p>- Bob -</p>
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		<title>By: Devdas Bhagat</title>
		<link>http://www.agileforall.com/2009/07/08/agile-antipattern-using-email-as-the-primary-communication-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Devdas Bhagat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with voice and video is that they are NMIs.  They don&#039;t communicate fast enough for the receiver, but they prevent you from actually being able to do any other work while the other person is speaking. There is also no logging.

I personally find email good for things which need well thought out, reasoned comments. IRC is good for rapid, on the spot discussion. 

Communicating is hard. Communicating over an asynchronous, high-density textual channel is better from the recipients PoV, rather than from the PoV of the sender.

Voice is good for decisions with necessarily high emotional content. Voice breaks flow. Breaking flow is fatal to anything which needs state maintainance in  the mind.

FWIW, 
Plain text email is high bandwidth, high latency communication.
HTML email is lower bandwidth, high latency communication.
IRC (or IM conference rooms) are low bandwidth, low latency communication channels.
Voice is low bandwidth, low latency for data, high bandwidth, low latency for emotions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with voice and video is that they are NMIs.  They don&#8217;t communicate fast enough for the receiver, but they prevent you from actually being able to do any other work while the other person is speaking. There is also no logging.</p>
<p>I personally find email good for things which need well thought out, reasoned comments. IRC is good for rapid, on the spot discussion. </p>
<p>Communicating is hard. Communicating over an asynchronous, high-density textual channel is better from the recipients PoV, rather than from the PoV of the sender.</p>
<p>Voice is good for decisions with necessarily high emotional content. Voice breaks flow. Breaking flow is fatal to anything which needs state maintainance in  the mind.</p>
<p>FWIW,<br />
Plain text email is high bandwidth, high latency communication.<br />
HTML email is lower bandwidth, high latency communication.<br />
IRC (or IM conference rooms) are low bandwidth, low latency communication channels.<br />
Voice is low bandwidth, low latency for data, high bandwidth, low latency for emotions.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuardo -StR- Rodríguez</title>
		<link>http://www.agileforall.com/2009/07/08/agile-antipattern-using-email-as-the-primary-communication-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuardo -StR- Rodríguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so.. what should we use?  I loved what google showed us with their new project &quot;Wave&quot;. But untill we all are able to use it, what should we use?

I love IM, Google docs, I used trending tools like Yammer and even IRC (old school)

I hate phone and skype calls, they force you to quit what you are doing and answer the call.

What do you use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so.. what should we use?  I loved what google showed us with their new project &#8220;Wave&#8221;. But untill we all are able to use it, what should we use?</p>
<p>I love IM, Google docs, I used trending tools like Yammer and even IRC (old school)</p>
<p>I hate phone and skype calls, they force you to quit what you are doing and answer the call.</p>
<p>What do you use?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hartman</title>
		<link>http://www.agileforall.com/2009/07/08/agile-antipattern-using-email-as-the-primary-communication-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cedric, in my opinion you are very close to a line which can be dangerous.  By saying &quot;the email can be the first shot, giving the recipient some time to think about it&quot; you are making the assumption the recipient received the message.  Unfortunately, that is not a valid assumption much of the time and we fall into the trap of believing something is &quot;moving forward&quot; when in reality it isn&#039;t.  This is why using email as a primary communication tool fails.  If you follow up the email by calling the person and saying &quot;I just sent you an email about this so you have time to process it before we speak again&quot; then you have a valid use of email.

- Bob -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cedric, in my opinion you are very close to a line which can be dangerous.  By saying &#8220;the email can be the first shot, giving the recipient some time to think about it&#8221; you are making the assumption the recipient received the message.  Unfortunately, that is not a valid assumption much of the time and we fall into the trap of believing something is &#8220;moving forward&#8221; when in reality it isn&#8217;t.  This is why using email as a primary communication tool fails.  If you follow up the email by calling the person and saying &#8220;I just sent you an email about this so you have time to process it before we speak again&#8221; then you have a valid use of email.</p>
<p>- Bob -</p>
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		<title>By: Cedric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cedric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mostly agree with you. plus among the bunch of mails we can receive in a day, only few really bring value.
Nevertheless, I think email can be a good agile tool when it&#039;s not used alone. For instance, assuming a question will need a bit of investigation, the email can be the first shot, giving the recipient some time to think about it. Then a phone call, IM or so to be used both as a reminder and the opportunity to bring more details about the question, context...

Cedric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly agree with you. plus among the bunch of mails we can receive in a day, only few really bring value.<br />
Nevertheless, I think email can be a good agile tool when it&#8217;s not used alone. For instance, assuming a question will need a bit of investigation, the email can be the first shot, giving the recipient some time to think about it. Then a phone call, IM or so to be used both as a reminder and the opportunity to bring more details about the question, context&#8230;</p>
<p>Cedric.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hartman</title>
		<link>http://www.agileforall.com/2009/07/08/agile-antipattern-using-email-as-the-primary-communication-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I agree.  Don&#039;t take me the wrong way - I use email - A LOT!  I just don&#039;t use it as a primary method of communication for an agile team.  I use it for things where there is no real urgency or there simply is no other way to reach the other person.

Email itself isn&#039;t bad - the misuse of email is what&#039;s bad!

Oh, hey Adam.  Sorry, I didn&#039;t know you were at the next desk over :-)  Only kidding.

- Bob -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I agree.  Don&#8217;t take me the wrong way &#8211; I use email &#8211; A LOT!  I just don&#8217;t use it as a primary method of communication for an agile team.  I use it for things where there is no real urgency or there simply is no other way to reach the other person.</p>
<p>Email itself isn&#8217;t bad &#8211; the misuse of email is what&#8217;s bad!</p>
<p>Oh, hey Adam.  Sorry, I didn&#8217;t know you were at the next desk over <img src='http://www.agileforall.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Only kidding.</p>
<p>- Bob -</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Feldman</title>
		<link>http://www.agileforall.com/2009/07/08/agile-antipattern-using-email-as-the-primary-communication-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....I agree! Don&#039;t you hate it when someone emails you and you can actually see them sitting at their desk?

I don&#039;t think that it is always bad though.  Sometimes I find it really helpful to put my thoughts down in a structured manner in an email.  It helps get my head around my concerns and also generally leads to a structured response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.I agree! Don&#8217;t you hate it when someone emails you and you can actually see them sitting at their desk?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that it is always bad though.  Sometimes I find it really helpful to put my thoughts down in a structured manner in an email.  It helps get my head around my concerns and also generally leads to a structured response.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hartman</title>
		<link>http://www.agileforall.com/2009/07/08/agile-antipattern-using-email-as-the-primary-communication-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I absolutely agree.  There are many variations on this theme.  High/low bandwidth and uni/bidirectional is a great starting point though.  In a future blog post I&#039;ll probably talk about my feelings on IM because I&#039;ve seen lots of different interpretations about how applicable it is on agile teams.

- Bob -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I absolutely agree.  There are many variations on this theme.  High/low bandwidth and uni/bidirectional is a great starting point though.  In a future blog post I&#8217;ll probably talk about my feelings on IM because I&#8217;ve seen lots of different interpretations about how applicable it is on agile teams.</p>
<p>- Bob -</p>
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